Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. Samarkand? This sounds kind of racist. Not everyone is going to agree with you in life but to accuse others of sullying the memories of people they didnt know existed until you replied to their posts may provoke far more negative responses. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Agreed. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. American actress Mary Wiseman was born on July 30, 1985. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. Sonequa is a great actress. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. Have you ever read those? Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). Youre perfect as you are. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. ..I have a total girl crush. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. All are different. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Waste of talent. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. That could be it. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Where did all the good writers go?? She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. Good for her, and I love the character! Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. PS. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Mary Wiseman. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. You misunderstood. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Where I live people compete on the merits. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. Yes, The Expanse. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. | November 13, 2021 | For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. And others opinions dont factor in. Shes not going anywhere. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Well, Renos really more engineering. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. It means something to me. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. Sorry TM, its MY fault! I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! His Voyager appearances were also horrid. Tillys a fantastic character. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Every Thursday night I yell Black Alert to let everyone know Im watching Star Trek. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. It seems like people like her say: this is me. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. What accent? Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. Probably some admirals cousin. 1:15. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. By: TrekMovie.com Staff It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Sisko on the other hand. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. DSC had many issues at the beginning. After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. She is full of self doubt, guilt, and anxiety, yet she doesnt quit. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Shes changed. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! That is not anything to diss. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. Why is that a command level position? Understanding? Therefore, I love her. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise.
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